Marcus Rashford And Ryan Giggs Talk Honestly About Their Manchester United Careers | Then And Now
– Is this the same year? – That’s the same year, yeah. [Laughing] – Oh, wow, yeah. [Laughing] – What you laughing at? – [Ryan Giggs:] Marcus. All right? – [Marcus Rashford:] OK. – Well done. – Thank you. – 200 appearances. – What’s going on? – What do you mean what’s going on? [Laughing] – I don’t know what’s going on with the cap. [Laughing] – Wow, that was actually at Old Trafford. So that was my first proper boot deal really. I mean, I was with Puma for two years, but then after that, I signed with Reebok. And I was with Reebok for, like, 20 years or so, so. – What is your favorite ever pair of boots? – When I was, like, in the youth team and that, we were with Adidas then. So Copas were always my favorite. I never actually had a pair, but they were my favorite growing up. – We used to get one pair of molds, one pair of studs. But we used Tiempo Legends. – Right. – Always the black with a white tick. – Right. – And if I could make my own boot now, it would always be black with white. – Towards the end, it felt weird for me, because I wore, like, gold, silver, white. It felt weird actually putting black boots on. – Yeah, to wear black. -Yeah, to go back to the classics, it was weird, but— That was the day that we won the league, for the first time in 26 years, so. We played Blackburn here, Monday night, and that’s after the game, so, after 26 years growing up as United fan. – After you won the first one, was it a different atmosphere? In training and stuff like that? – Yeah, I think it was just relief. Because it was 26 years we hadn’t won it, and then after that, it was like relief. And that sort of gave us the confidence, really, because having not won it for so long, you’re under pressure all the time. The pressure was then lifted, and it was more relaxed. You could more enjoy yourselves, and, of course, we had good players. – Did you expect to win it after that? – After that, yeah. Because the players that we had. You know, after that season, we added Roy Keane, and then after that season, all, like, Becks, Scholesy, The Nevilles, Nicky Butt. They all came into it, and we were just adding three or four players, so it came easier from then. – How did you socialise with your team-mates? Were you able to go out? – Well, that was a big night. [Laughing] – That was a big night, that, and then the next day, we went to Chester Races. So we went to the races, the whole team, and Bryan Robson, he was a great leader, he organized, made sure everyone’d come. – Yeah, was together. – Yeah, we used to have nights out because it’s good. You’ll know. You’ll go out, even if you’re going through a tough time, or even a good time, you go out with your team-mates. – Yeah, when you get everyone together, it’s special because you’re always in the work environment. Like, if you can get out of that and just all be together. It gives you that, something different. – No, it is, because you know when you are together, it’s different in the changing room. And when you go out for a meal or a few drinks, especially pre-season, when new players come in. You get to know them, don’t you? – Is this the same year? – Thats the same year, yeah. [Laughing] – Oh, wow, yeah. [Laughing] – What you laughing at? – The blazer. [Laughing] – So, that was actually a bit of a joke. So me and Paul Ince. I was good mates with Paul Ince, and if you see Incey’s jacket, he was exactly the same, lairy jacket. And we said—we bought it a couple of weeks before— and we thought, “If we win the league, then we’ll wear it.” So, Yeah. – How old was you in this one? – I was…19. – 19? – Yeah, 19, so my dress sense hasn’t gotten much better either. [Laughing] – What is your biggest fashion disaster? – That. [Laughing] – But that was a joke, so I get away with it. Well, it wasn’t a joke. It was, like, we wanted to give the gaffer a bit of a surprise, and the team-mates, and like I say, I wasn’t on my own. I was with Incey as well. – It’s not as bad if you’re not on your own. – No. God I’m getting some stick here, aren’t I? [Laughing] – Who’s picked these pictures out? – I know, yeah! That was, the Charity Shield, So, the Community Shield. In the August, so, I’m a bit, [Laughing] – I’m feeling a bit confident there, aren’t I? So that’s at Wembley, on the pitch, before the game, when you have a walk around the pitch, and I look a bit of a poser there, don’t I? – How many hours a week did you spend on your hair? What was your routine? – I spent more hours then than I do now, that’s for sure. [Laughing] – No, I never had a routine. I was pretty relaxed. I was pretty relaxed. But lads, lads now are getting haircuts before the games and everything, aren’t they? – Yeah, I just do it once a week. So it doesn’t really matter if it’s leading up to the game or not. But I know there’s some lads who get it the day before the game, every game, so. – Do they? – Yeah, so at the moment, that’s three or four times. – And you get the same lad who’s always done it, or? – Yeah, I have the same person. But yeah, some people are more on top of it. – Name, names? – Andreas Pereira. – Well, yeah, I know Andreas, definitely. – You know who’s on it, Ash [Ashley Young]. – Is he? – Yeah, But you’d never tell because he’s got short hair. But he gets his hair cut, like, every couple of days. – Ah, this one. I think that is an advert for Reebok. So that’s behind Old Trafford; so it’s in one of the streets. You’re testing my memory here. – When did you have to stop playing street football with your mates? – Yeah, I mean, I still was playing Sunday League up until I was 14, 15, with my mates, and you want to play with your mates still. – Yeah, it’s fun. United stopped me in the end because you could get injured. Some of the places we were playing, lads were always after you, after kicking you, so, Sunday League. But yeah, it was about 14, 15, but it’s hard. You’re still young, and your mates are going out playing, and you want to play, don’t you? But do lads still do that now, you think? – Yeah, I think so. Probably. The year I started playing was probably when we stopped. We used to go to Trafford Centre, the Soccer Dome, – Really? – Yeah, five-a-side and just play against random people. But, you don’t realise, but you’d be there for hours. – That’s interesting, because I think now, that lads don’t do that as much. Because when I was growing up you could play in the streets, and it was, like, the culture, and that’s where you get your hours in. just practising things and trying things. So no one was trying to kick you, then? – Yeah they was, but- – They couldn’t catch you? – No, sometimes they would, but then my mates would kick one of them. [Laughing] – So you had your bodyguards. – Yeah. – Oh, that was, I don’t know if you remember that. It was when we changed kits at half-time. So we played Southampton away, and that kit, a grey kit, so we come in at half-time, we were getting beat, I think 3-0, and all the lads were complaining that we couldn’t see. That was their excuse. We couldn’t see the team-mates. So the manager made Albert—you know, Albert the kitman— get the other kit out, the third kit out. And we played the second-half in a different kit. – Yeah, what was the final score? – 3-1. I think I scored. But it was a big thing because obviously the manager made that as an excuse that first-half, we couldn’t see each other, so it was a big thing at the time. And then second half, we came out in a completely different kit, so we got a bit of stick for that. – Yeah. What’s the best and worst kit you’ve ever worn? – That’s up there with the worst because it got so much, sort of, publicity. – Yeah, from this game. – Yeah, from this, from that game. I quite like playing in all black. – Yeah, it’s nice. – We had an all-black kit in ’93/’94, when it was Sharp, Sharp Viewcam there, and I quite enjoyed that. – My favourite one was, I think it was 2007/2008 It was the black with the stripe on the back. – Oh, yeah. – I used to wear it up until I was about 16. – What, wear it just— – Yeah, like around the house and stuff like that. – What about now? What do you think of the pink kits? – No, I don’t like the salmon one. – Oh, is it salmon? – Yeah, I don’t like it. In the first game I wore it, I got sent off, against Burnley away. I said to Jesse before the game, “I don’t like this kit.” And then that happens, and it’s not one of my favorites. – You have favorite kits that you do well in, don’t you? – Yeah, yeah. – If you haven’t done so well in a kit, then you think, “Hmmm.” And we are superstitious, footballers. Shall I pick it up or? Is that all right? It was gonna happen. – What a team. What was it like playing with him when he first came? – Playing with Eric [Cantona]? – Yeah. – Yeah, that was… He was just different. He was just different, but, you see him there? Look how big he is. – Yeah. – People don’t realise how big and strong he was. He was like a target man but also, you know, he had them little touches. But for you, it would have been a dream because you know when you make them runs? He would always find you. – Yeah. – And he would always find you, and you wouldn’t have to break stride. So, you know, sometimes in a game, you make runs and no one’s finding you. – Yeah. – As soon as he got the ball he wasn’t interested in scoring. He wanted to score, but he got as much pleasure out of making assists, and he was just brilliant to play with. – Because you was all young when he first came in? – Yeah. – Did he help you? – We was like 19, 20. Yeah, just the way that he trained. I mean, you must have seen, coming to the first team, players you look up to who train hard, and you sort of watch them. Watch how they train and how they conduct themselves. – It’s like, I remember the first time I trained with the first team. What you learn from that hour-and-a-half or however long you’re with them, like, when you go back down to your own age group, it’s crazy, really, how it speeds up the development. – Did you find it a big jump? – Yeah, the mentality was completely different to what, like, you’ve been around. So, obviously, you don’t know what to expect, and when you go up and just see the focus and how much everyone wants it, and, like, players that are 25, 26, still wanting to improve. It shows you something you’ve not seen before and— – Well, I was obviously there. I was coaching you, but you’d just come into the first team, but there was no, like— – I was just trying to take it all in and just go with what I was around, really. And I knew that would improve me as a player, so. – But that’s one thing—like, when people talk to me about you, that’s the one thing that I say about you. “Forget about how good a player he is. The mentality. The mentality has always been strong right from day one.” Even the debut, you know, “you’re coming on.” Your mentality has always been strong. And I always thought that when you came into the first team. And going back to when I was in the first team, I actually found it easier. – As you got there? – As I got there, because, you know, when you’re in the reserves or in the youth team, everyone’s ratting and everyone’s at it, where you don’t get probably as much time. Where the first team, even though the focus is there, you probably get a little bit more time, and you’re surrounded by better players. – Like, the quality’s a lot. Like, it’s crazy, really. When you first make that step up, you’re looking at the players and, like, you’re not doubting yourself. But you’re like, “I need to improve if I’m gonna stay at this level.” And then as time goes on, you gradually start to settle down and relax into it, so. – Was there, when you came into the first team, was there one player you thought, “I didn’t think he was that good?” Or, like, surprised you? – No, because from when you watch it on TV, you think players— maybe you don’t understand the type of players they are, for one. But when I first started training with us, I just started seeing, like, players who had qualities, and they just did that, and it was- It made me, like, respect different types of players a lot more. So there was players like, Felli [Marouane Fellaini], for example. He was just good at what he done, and he was effective and— – He kept it simple for what he could do. – But he made me respect that type of player more than what I would have in the past, so. So it was an eye-opener. Which players did you look up to? When you were younger? I looked up to Bryan Robson, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce. These were all players that— especially Brucey and Bryan Robson because they were the captains. It wasn’t so much when everything was going right. It was when you’d had a bad game or the manager had had a go at you. -Yeah. -They were the ones who’d put an arm around you and say, “Don’t worry about it.” Because when you have a bad game at 18, 19, you think it’s the end of the world. You think, “I’m not gonna get back in.” So they were the ones who helped me in that respect. What about you? – So, I think the ones that, like you, you got the opportunity to watch, like, week in, week out. For me, it was Wazza [Wayne Rooney] and Cristiano [Ronaldo]. But the ones at, like, say, at the training ground— we used to have pictures on the wall of, like, you, Becks, Scholesy, Roy Keane, Gary Neville, and them ones. Like, because you see them every day on the wall, like, before training, before games, that was, like, a bit of motivation every day for us. So there was different types of idols. – Yeah, so that was the FA Cup goal. Probably my best goal. It’s the goal where, everyone, all the supporters, whether it be United or Arsenal fans, they always talk about, so it was a great night. – What score did this game finish? – 2-1. Yeah. Becks scored, and then Bergkamp scored a deflected goal, and then I scored that goal in injury time, so. – Against them as well. – Against Arsenal, who were a top side. I mean, we were so similar. The two teams were so evenly matched, and there was nothing between us really, so after winning that game, that gave us the confidence to go on and win the treble. That was ’99. When was you born? – ’97. – Ah, so you was born then. – Yeah. [Laughter]. Was this your favorite goal? – Yeah, so that’s my favorite goal. What’s yours? I still think, just the first one, was the biggest feeling that I’ve had. The adrenaline that you get and stuff like that, that you’ve not had before or experienced. I think the closest thing to that first goal was probably a goal in the Youth Cup. – Really? Where was that? Was that at Old Trafford? – Tottenham’s stadium. I scored a free-kick against them. We ended up getting knocked out, but they was beating us, 1-0, and I scored it at the end of the first half, and the adrenaline was crazy, and— So, yeah, the game here at Old Trafford. That feeling was the biggest feeling I’ve got. It probably wasn’t the best goal, but in terms of what it meant to me and the feeling. December 2013? – That’s the premiere for ‘Class of ’92.’ Yeah, a DVD that we did where, it was us together, really, just having chats and spending time together and just talking about what we achieved as, like, youth-team players, and then— – I think I watched that actually. I think he got it for me for Christmas. – Yeah. – Yeah. I think he did. – You should have brought it. I’d have signed it for you. – Was it the one where you were sat around a table? – Yeah. – Yeah, It was in a restaurant in Spinningfields, it was good. They did a really good job of it, and it was just— we don’t often get together where it’s all six of us, so it was good. It was like probably now when you see your mates. It was like we were 15, 16, again in the dressing room. – It’s always the best times, innit? -Yeah. – What was the moment you realised you were famous? – I think at United. Wherever you go, you know what it’s like. Even when you go abroad, people love United, and, even at 15, 16, because everyone is interested in the youth. They know your name as soon as people say your name at 15, 16. Then in them days, it was autographs. It wasn’t, like, camera phones. So, I think it was like, you know pretty early on, 16, 17 and then getting articles written about you in the paper. I mean yours was probably more overnight wasn’t it? – Yeah, mine was. – Because of what you did? — Pretty much, like, when we were speaking about the Soccer Dome five-aside before. That was the moment for me when, after I made my debut, it was probably a couple weeks later when we had a couple of days off, and that was our moment to get away from everything with my mates. I just remember the amount of kids that were there. – What so after your debut, you still went to the Soccer Dome? – Yeah. Well, we hadn’t been for a while because we had all the games. But I think we had two days off. – That’s brilliant, that. So two weeks before you had no crowd, and then— – Yeah, pretty much. But that was the last time I went. Because I know we went there to play footy and stuff, but it was our moment away from everything and we could just be ourselves in that space. And when that started happening, there was loads of people all standing around the pitch and stuff like that. It took that feeling away from it. – What do you do to chill and just get away from everything? Because it’s harder now for players because of camera phones, social media and stuff like that from when I was growing up. – We just have, like, little hobbies. Like, I have two dogs, and my mates love dogs as well so, sometimes we go out with the dogs and just play football in the garden. – What dogs are they? – A Cane Corso and a Bulldog? I don’t really like the Bulldog, though. – Bulldogs don’t wanna go for a walk, though. – No, 10 minutes and she’s finished. – I had two dogs. I was, like, 20, 21. I had two boxers. – Yeah, Boxers? – Yeah. — Do you like big dogs? – Yeah. – Yeah, they’re the best. February 2016. – Yeah. – That was the day that changed everything. Even when I went to college, and people I’d known since I was 11 years old, like, they start looking at you different and— You know, it’s a bit weird at first, but this game was unbelievable. Looking back, did we have to win by two goals? – Yeah, I think we did. – Did they score first? – I think they might have, yeah. See my problem is, I can remember 25 years ago, but I can’t remember what happened yesterday. That’s my problem, so you’re gonna have to help me out here. Can you remember when me, Louis and the staff came to watch you train? Because that’s really when we thought, “He’s ready.” – When you came into the changing room, everyone was there. So the rest of the team was there. So after you said it, you sort of just said and walked out. It was, like, five minutes where everyone was just buzzing for me, really. There’s nothing better than hearing that news with the ones that was with you from the very beginning. And then you start panicking that you can’t be late on your first day traveling, so, yeah. Yeah, that day was— – We got the train down to Watford. Who were you sat with on the train? Who did you know in the squad? – Just Jesse and Cameron. – So you sat with them? – Yeah, just a couple of us sat together. – And you’d sit with them at lunch sometimes? – Yeah, that was more normal. – And for me, it was, like, the little things you wanted to get right. “Like, what do I have to wear for dinner?” “What time do I have to be there?” “Am I sat in anyone’s seat on the coach?” Them little things. So that was, like, Cameron and Jesse were helping you in those situations? Because we sat at the back, didn’t we? – Yeah, you sat the back. Was Wazza sat in the middle? – Yeah, he was sat just in front of us yeah. – I remember sitting at the front. – As far away as possible from us. – I was right at the front. Me and Jesse were right at the front. And I remember one of the ones that was injured, that was their seat. So I ended up moving from there to Wazza’s table, that was the next person. – So you were with Wazza? – Yeah, we were sat there, and seeing how he prepared for games probably helped me, change the way that I approach the games as well. Because, like I said before, sometimes it was too football-focused, and you just needed to relax sometimes. – Wazza was good at relaxing you. He would talk about anything, wouldn’t he? He would just sit down and talk to anyone. He was good in that respect. – But yeah, then, obviously, he’d go out in a game, and he was focused, so watching him switch mindsets like that was something that I’d always admired and wanted to become, really. But that day is when you learn a lot about yourself and how much you can actually cope with and deal with as a young kid. – I never really got nervous before games. I did on my debut when I got told I was starting against City. After that, I never really got nervous. What I used to do before the game was not think too much about the game. I was like— – It has an adverse effect sometimes, doesn’t it? – I was with Nicky [Butt] and Scholesy and we’d just be, like, playing keepy-uppys and just trying to keep myself relaxed, really. Have you got anything before you go out? You pretty relaxed? – Yeah, I’m probably more relaxed now than when I first came into the team. I just remember being, like, probably overly focused, like, during this period. And even when I’d go home just after training, it was just football, football, football all the time. And probably the year after, under Jose, when we had difficult moments. Because at the beginning, it was, like, everything was— even though the team was struggling at the moment. For me, personally, things were quite positive, and things like winning the FA Cup and stuff like that. There wasn’t much reason to be down about anything at that time. And, the year after, when it was tough, we had more expectations and a new manager, so, when it was tough moment, when I’m going home, and I’m just thinking about football at the time, that’s when I realised that you can’t be like that for your career. And, you know, my friends and my family help me out a lot with that. None of us like to lose, so when you do, it’s important not to dwell on the game. – But that helps you. You know, everything’s not going to be brilliant all the way through your career. It’s the tough times; if you come through that tough time, you come through stronger. You come through better and more confident. You’re able to handle the difficult moments. – This would have been one of my first training sessions, probably. – Did you like my coaching? – It was good. I think Van Gaal was very technical and everything, and you was the one that was— like, you would always say to us, “If you get a 1 v 1, just don’t think too much and just go at him. If you can drive them back and make something happen, then do that.” That was what I was used to hearing in the past, and then Van Gaul was more technical. – I mean, Louis was a good coach, wasn’t he? His training sessions were good. Tactically, he was really good. – His man management, with me anyway, it was good. He would speak to me all the time, and even off the pitch, he used to ask me how college was and little stuff like that. And when you’re young, them things matter to you. He helped me settle in a lot, and I think you two worked well together. It doesn’t surprise me that there were so many young players coming through in that period. And we all enjoyed training. Like, when we went up and went back to our own age group. It was like the talk of the dressing room until the next time you’d go up. Everyone really enjoyed training with you, and I’d probably say, that after that season, we probably lost that a little bit in terms of when the younger ones were coming up. – Because Louis was good on his tactical aspect, and the training was really structured, it really good. But, I think, where I’ve come from, always with the younger players coming up—like, I had Brian Kidd and even Sir Alex, “Don’t forget what got you here. Still do the things that got you here. In the youth team, in the reserves. Still express yourself. Don’t think too much.” Of course, you have to have the tactical aspect, but you’ve got to express yourself, too. – What did you think of Marcus when you first saw him? – You stood out. You just scored two or three goals where it was like, “Wow.” It was quick finishes. It was beating two or three men. And it was like I said before, “He’s ready. If he’s needed, he’s ready.” Because we hadn’t seen sharpness like it. And after that, I think it was the week later, when you came into the squad, never looked back after that. – This must have been, yeah, towards the end of the season. – Yeah, you don’t look too happy there. – Yeah, I know, probably because we came fifth or sixth. [Laughing] – What’s the biggest telling-off you’ve ever had from the manager? – Did you get a telling-off from Louis? – Yeah, once, but it wasn’t my fault. – Get that in early! – You know he was strict on the timing, and I was late once, but I had college. I had college work to do. And I remember it was a weird telling-off. It was like a talking-to. – Right there, he liked to get right into your face, didn’t he? – But it had a bigger effect than if someone shouts at you. I remember him saying, “usually that would be a fine,” but it was only a couple of weeks after I’d played. After that I’d made sure I was always on time. – Yeah, you had to be early. Even as staff, even working under Louis, he was never late. If he told you a time, he was always there five minutes before. Because he was like, “It’s standards.” It’s good standards to have and get in good habits. So I liked it. It was the same with Sir Alex, if you were ever late. – He’d tell you off? – Yeah. – That was different. Like, when we was eating, for lunch and that, we had to be in there at a set time. Like, for me, that was so weird. Like, like, usually, we’d all just eat and sit where we want. I remember even before he came, you guys in the first team used to sit just at the front, and everyone would just be around you. I remember one time, Rio [Ferdinand] just came and sat next to us, and he was eating his breakfast. So those moments, to go from that to everything structured— – Yeah, we ate separately. – Yeah, it was a bit strange. – He wanted to go through the day, didn’t he? He wanted to go through the training session, what was good, and he’d put his foot in the chair and tell everyone. – But that’s the way he liked to coach and manage, so it was definitely a good period. – It was a good education for a young player and for a young coach, so. – Yeah, it’s obviously nice to go through these moments and— – Yeah, it got better as we went on. I don’t think I’m so happy about the first few… [Laughing] – The first one’s my favorite still. Is it on the floor? – Yeah, I threw it away. – Cheers. – Thank you very much. – Thanks, Marcus. Cheers, mate.